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Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:44:43 GMT

Hello!

New to Toast but not to managing POS systems.
I'm cleaning up a bunch of junk with old menus and can't find some answers.
First, I'm not using menu builder. Just Menu -> Edit menu. It's easier and more clear to me.
Where can I find tutorials for that method of menu building, then some specific questions regarding linking, copying, etc.

Thank you!
Christine
Cypress Restaurant, Severna Park, MD

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

Rob — Thu, 05 Dec 2024 18:58:45 GMT

Attached are some articles that may be helpful. Are you working with an MLM account?

Create and Manage Menus, Menu Groups, and Subgroups
Use Advanced Properties to Edit Your Menu in Bulk
Use the Items Database to View and Manage Menus

Configure Hidden Menus
Reuse or Copy Menu Groups, Items, and Modifiers

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 00:06:34 GMT

Thank you for the articles. I'm using Items Database to clean out years of duplications and obsolete junk. Managing menus might be helpful. I'm going to read them all. What I'm really looking for is pre-mod and default mod information. Can't stand the mess choosing multiple mods make when they're chosen.

I always try to reuse things already in the database to try to minimize it any way I can. It's kind of using relational databases but with food.

I hadn't heard of Hidden Menus. I have several forced modifiers I can't locate or modify. They come in after things like Wine Bottles -> 1 glass, 2 glasses, etc. Would these be considered hidden, what? modifiers? Would you have suggestions?

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 00:07:27 GMT

Oops.
The only definition of MLM is Multi-level marketing. What does that mean with Toast?

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

rcmck — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 00:41:20 GMT

Pre modefiers are nice but I would avoid them if you plan to do any online ordering, they don't work online, I use them sparingly for food or for in house drink menus when I do. https://central.toasttab.com/s/article/Pre-Modifiers-1493068611745 default modifiers can be helpful and do work online, https://central.toasttab.com/s/article/Creating-Default-Modifiers they work best when modifiers groups are attached at the menu group level rather than individual menu items, since they can be overridden at the menu item level and assigned different default modifiers for each item (sandwiches and their toppings for example)

Hidden menus are more for hiding menus from certain places like online ordering or third parties, also can be used to hide entire menus from POS and be unhidden on the device it's like a happy hour menu you only want available at the bar. The modifiers you referenced would be considered just modifiers, I would learn about nested modifiers though, they can be helpful.

MLM just means multi location management, only need to learn about that if you are using that product and have multiple locations.

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 02:54:12 GMT

Thank you for those articles, too. I read like crazy.

That said, I am not finding what I need, if periods aren't recommended. I am a serious beater, and tend to mod at the group level, then obviously specifics on the item or mod level.

You've been so kind with your time, I am hoping you wouldn't mind more direction

We need to be able to mod line this: no bacon, sub cheese.

Problem is, these (including add, extra, sub, onside) print like this: no, sub, bacon, cheese. I want to be able to essentially "talk" with mods. It prevents calling out, errors when expo forgets, etc.

Where should I be looking to do this? Separate no, ad, sub, etc buttons that pull from the same Ingredient mod group?

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 03:09:40 GMT

OMG, it seems like pre-mods are the answer to my problems!

Now, I have a huge mod list (I am pruning) already. It seems I could clean that up and do a pre group of no, sub, etc.

We eventually will go online. Other locations, which were set up badly and independently, already are. I am already thinking of an online menu with parallel, non-pre-mods. I am already creating

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 03:10:43 GMT

This test menu wi

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

Penguin_Meg1 — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:18:38 GMT

Not sure this is what you are looking for but, in the case of no bacon sub cheese you can add nested modifers too. Let's say you have a modifier group that includes the items "no bacon" you can make modifiers nested to no bacon that can say "sub cheese". I've had to use this way on some mobile order and pay menus so that it makes it user friendly for customers.

I agree with Rob on the pre-mods, I have run into a lot of issues with them. Especially if you need them to have prices attached to some but no others. Example: "bacon" as a modifier on a loaded potato and then premodifers that say "no" "extra". The "no" bacon needs no charge but he "extra" bacon needs to charge .95, it gets tricky. I still have not totally worked out pre-mods to be 100% usable. I'm trying to reformat to get away from them.

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

CEFreeman — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:23:00 GMT

You won't believe this. We're really overthinking this. I figured it out today in user interface. I also spent a couple hours on the phone with toast to help me with other things, but they didn't have an answer to this at all. Pre-mods are the answer if you don't mind doing separate menus for online ordering. But if you look under front of FOH UI options you choose show default modifiers is a no, yes on consolidate menu items, that worked really well. Then I chose yes to consolidate modifiers, no to additional chargees and then the big Big kahuna right here. Modifier group sorting display in order modifieds were added!!!! bingo !!!! and there we have it. No overthinking it's display in order modifiers were added. We are talking with modifiers here, buddy! We're going strong!

But I learned a lot with all the great references. Thank you so much for your time!

Re: Where to ask about previous menu editing? Not Menu Builder.

www — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:44:06 GMT

Multi-location Management. Basically if you are using Toast at multiple locations.